FORBES, Arthur 9th Lord Forbes 2
- Born: 25 April 1581 1
- Marriage (1): ELPHINSTONE, Jane on 5 February 1600 in Edinburgh, Scotland 1
Research Notes:
9TH or 10TH LORD Forbes
In some presentations of this family, the Capuchin monk, John Forbes, the son of John Forbes and Lady Margaret Gordon, is not counted as the 9th Lord Forbes. This has the effect of putting all the following Lord Forbes one place out in their designation.
The 2023 Wikipedia article states:
" The question was most recently (As of 2023) settled in 1955, stating that he was not to be considered a Lord Forbes and his younger brother would be their father's immediate successor as Arthur Forbes, 9th Lord Forbes.[5]"
[5} "John Forbes - The Lord Who Wasn't". Retrieved 15 November 2023 from https://www.clan-forbes.org/people/john-forbes---the-lord-who-wasn't " 3
Arthur married Jane ELPHINSTONE, daughter of Alexander ELPHINSTONE 4th Lord Elphinstone, Lord High Treasurer and Jean LIVINGSTON, on 5 February 1600 in Edinburgh, Scotland.1 (Jane ELPHINSTONE was born on 15 February 1582 4 and died after 1628 4.)
Marriage Notes:
"Arthur Forbes was born on 25 April 1581 in Aberdeenshire, Scotland. He was the first-born son of John, 8th Lord Forbes and his 2nd wife, Janet Seton. Arthur Forbes had a charter to the lordship and barony of Forbes on 20 Dec. 1598: 'to Arthur Forbes, eldest son of John, Lord Forbes, by Jonet Seytoun his wife'. This was confirmed 28 Dec. 1598. By this charter it was evidently intended to exclude John Forbes II, Arthur's older half-brother, from all succession to their father's estate. John Forbes II had followed his mother, Lady Margaret (Gordon) Forbes, a Roman Catholic, when his father divorced her in 1574, in part for religious reasons. In 1593 he had joined the Roman Catholic Capucin Religious Order as a celibate Friar (Monk). He lived in Tournai, Hainaut, Spanish Netherlands, not Scotland. John was nevertheless the 9th Lord being the eldest son by his father's first wife.
Apparently, the 2 brothers were not estranged, as in 1600 Arthur was found writing to his brother in a friendly manner. Arthur only succeeded to the estates and the title on August 2, 1606, after the closely-following deaths of their father (29 Jun 1606) and half-brother (2 Aug 1606). On 8 Feb. 1610/1 a charter was granted to Jean Elphinstone, spouse of Arthur, Lord Forbes, and Alexander, Master of Forbes, their son, confirming his holding the lordship of Forbes.
Even before his accession, Arthur Forbes, at 19 years old, married Lady Jean Elphinstone, daughter of Alexander Elphinstone, 4th Lord Elphinstone, on February 5, 1600."
from Wikitree 5
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