TURING, Robert 9th of Foveran 1 2 3
- Born: About 1539
- Marriage (1): CARNEGIE, Helen 'Lady Benum and Lady Foveran' before 31 May 1556 1
- Died: by 28 July 1580 1 2
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General Notes:
PARENTAGE of Robert Turing of Foveran
Robert Turing is placed here as the son of James Turing rather than William Turing and Joanna Leslie, on account of the dates involved.
1
Joanna Leslie is said to have married the laird of Foveran, and William is the only laird who fits her dates.
2
Joanna was previously married to Patrick Gordon. He did not die until 1547 at the Battle of Pinkie, so William and Joanna could not have married until after that date.
3
This would mean that their son Robert would have been born at the earliest in 1547(1548).
4
Robert married Helen Carnegie, we are told, about 31 May 1556. He was her second husband. Her first husband was William Lundie of Benholm whom she is said to have married before 25 June 1551.
5
So it is likely that Helen Carnegie was born at the latest about 1539, but probably earlier than that. This would mean that in 1556 a marriage would take place between a woman, already widowed, aged at least 17 years but probably older, and a boy of 8 years of age, possibly younger.
6
It is more likely that Robert was William's heir, though not his father, unless William had been married before his marriage to Joanna Leslie and Robert was born from that marriage. The generational and marriage relationships of the Turings of that time appear to be fraught with variation and uncertainty in different sources.
Robert married Helen CARNEGIE 'Lady Benum and Lady Foveran', daughter of Sir Robert CARNEGIE 5th of Kinnaird and Margaret GUTHRIE, before 31 May 1556.1 (Helen CARNEGIE 'Lady Benum and Lady Foveran' was born about 1539.)
Marriage Notes:
"William Lundie died shortly after the marriage, and she (Helen Carnegie) was married, secondly, to Robert Turing of Foveran. She received, on 28 July 1580, a Crown confirmation of a charter of the lands of Blackhillock in liferent, granted by her husband in 1569. He is described in the confirmation as 'quondam Robertus de Foverne."
from Scots Peerage (vol 8) 2
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