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, Daughter 'of Kylvert and sister of Oliver'
(About 1165-)

 

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Spouses/Children:
1. FRASER, Udard in East Lothian

, Daughter 'of Kylvert and sister of Oliver' 1 2

  • Born: About 1165
  • Marriage (1): FRASER, Udard in East Lothian 1 2

   User ID: K633.

  Research Notes:

CONFUSION OF GILBERT FRASER WITH 'KYLVERT'

"Whether Crauford be the originator of a mistake now to be noticed, or copied it from some earlier source, it appears in his Lives of Officers of State, has thence been adopted by Chalmers in Caledonia, and, upon his authority, transferred to the pages of other writers.

It consists in the confusion of this Gilbert Fraser with a certain 'Kylvert, Culvut, or Kylward,' for his name is found under these different forms, who was contemporary with him, and who, with his descendants, became allied to the Frasers in the next generation ; and it will be necessary here to give the reasons for differing from these authorities on this point, and regarding Gilbert Fraser and Kylvert as separate persons. In spite of the similarity of sound, Kylvert does not seem to be a form of Gilbert."

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"The fact that Kylvert and his children never bore the surname of Fraser, renders it impossible to consider them members of that family ; and the absence of any surname whatever, with the exception noticed above, points to his having been of Scoto-Saxon or Scoto-Danish race. He, or his son, appears to have held the lands of Hales, in East Lothian, as a feudatory of the Earls of Dunbar, and they also seem to have had large possessions in the district of Tweeddale. His family will be seen to have consisted of two sons,4 Oliver and Adam, and two daughters, one married to a Fraser, the other styling herself Maria de Hales."

from Frasers of Philorth 1


Daughter married Udard FRASER in East Lothian.1 2 (Udard FRASER in East Lothian was born about 1158.)


  Marriage Notes:

"All that is known of Udard Fraser is gathered from the occurrence of his name in the charters of some of his descendants, from which it appears that he lived during the latter half of the twelfth century, and that he married a sister of Oliver, son of the Kylvert just mentioned, who is said to have been the founder of Oliver Castle, in Tweeddale, and in all probability was so, and whom Adam Fraser, Udard Fraser's son, will be found to call avunculus, which, though sometimes used for uncle on either side, means maternal uncle, unless the context affords evidence to the contrary ; patruus being the proper term to express that relationship on the father's side."

from Frasers of Philorth




"There was a Udard Fraser mentioned in the charters of some of his descendants, who lived in the latter half of the twelfth century, and married a sister of Oliver, son of Kylvert above mentioned, who is said to have been the founder of Oliver Castle in Peeblesshire. He was the father of Adam Fraser"

from Scots Peerage (vol 7) 1 2

Sources


1 e-books, The Frasers of Philorth vol.1 by Alexander Fraser (1879).

2 e-books, The Scots Peerage ed. Sir James Balfour Paul vol. 7 (1910).

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