COMYN, Thomas of Altyre, Sir 3
- Born: About 1295 2
- Marriage (1): ARBUTHNOTT, Helen 1 2
- Marriage (2): MACGREGOR, Catharine 1 2
- Died: 1365 1 2
Other names for Thomas were CUMING, Thomas of Altyre, Sir 2 and CUMYN, Thomas.1
User ID: X925.
General Notes:
"III. Angus, married Marian, daughter of Macintosh of that ilk and Torchastle, Captain of Clanchattan, by whom he had three sons and two daughters:
1, Thomas, his heir ; 2, Lachlan, killed in a skirmish at Inverlochy; 3, Angus, who died in foreign service, both without issue: Beatrix and Marian."
"IV. Sir Thomas, who succeeded his father, was a man of great power and property. He obtained from the Bishop of Moray, circa 1350, a lease of the lands of Rothiemarchus, formerly a part of the possessions of his family, but which had been held for nearly a century by the 'Shaws' in lease from the bishop, to whom it had been granted in 1226 by King Alexander II. for a forest, and mortified to the Cathedral of Elgin for lights and candles - the Bishop (Andrew) of Moray surrendering, in exchange, his rights in the forest of Langhorn, near Elgin.
About 1350, Shaw says in his History of Moray, 'Young Cumyn of Strathdallas, having a lease of the lands of Rothiemarchus, and being unwilling to yield to the Shaws, it came to be decided by the sword, and James Shaw, chief of his clan, was killed. They had both married daughters of the Macgregor, yet they were always opposed. Shaw's son, as soon as he was of age, attacked and killed Cumyn at a place called Lagna Cuminach to this day.....' "
"..... tradition still tells of the bloody wars between the Shaws and Cumyns for the Duchus of Rothiemarchus, and there is no doubt the Cumyn clan held large possessions in Badenoch and Strathspey long after the
Lord of Badenoch, their chief, had forfeited his feudal rights. Thomas Cumyn was killed by the Shaws, as we have seen, in 1365; and the following year David II. gave the forest of Lochindorb, and the keeping of its
castle, into the hands of Symon Reid, Constable of Edinburgh Castle (progenitor of Robert Reid, Abbot of Kinloss and Bishop of Orkney in 1540). It was not until 1370-71, when Robert the Steward became king, that the lordship of Badenoch, 'then in the crown by the forfeiture of Sir John Cumyn, was given by that king to his own son, Alexander Stewart, to be held by him in the same manner as Sir John Cumyn and his predecessors
formerly held it.' "
from Bruces and Cumyns 1 4
Research Notes:
'YOUNG THOMAS'
The author of A History of Their Making rightly puts a question mark beside Lachlan Shaw's account, in his History of Moray, of the death of 'Young (Thomas Cumyn of Strathdollas' at the hand of the son of James Shaw. he points out that the refernce is confusing, since Thomas Cuming of Altyre 'would have been 58 in 1350 and 73 by the time of his death in 1365. He suggests it was 'James Cuming of Strathdallas' who was slain by the show of Shaw, though he does not specify the relationship of the James in question to 'Young Thomas'.
The problem for this researcher is that no James is listed as a son of the Thomas Cumyn in question. As far as we know James, son of of Thomas Cumyn, was a later James, son of a later Thomas Cumyn, a Thomas Cumyn not born till well after 1365. 5
Thomas married Helen ARBUTHNOTT, daughter of Hugo DE ABERBUTHNOTT 7th of that Ilk and Unknown.1 2 (Helen ARBUTHNOTT was born about 1302.)
Marriage Notes:
"Sir Thomas Cumyn married, first, Helen, daughter of Hugh, seventh baron of
Aberbuthnot, by whom he had three sons:
1, Richard, his heir ; 2, Farquhar ; 3, Robert.
Secondly, Sir Thomas Cumyn married Catharine, daughter of the Laird of Macgregor, by whom he had a son, 'Alexander.' "
from Bruces and Comyns
"Cuming married twice, first to Helen daughter of Hugh 8th baron of Arbuthnot, producing three sons, Sir Richard his heir, Ferquhard 1st and Robert. By his second wife Catherine Macgregor, daughter of the chief of Clan MacGregor, he produced a single son Alexander."
from A History of Their Making 1 2
Thomas next married Catharine MACGREGOR.1 2 (Catharine MACGREGOR was born about 1315.)
Marriage Notes:
"Sir Thomas Cumyn married, first, Helen, daughter of Hugh, seventh baron of
Aberbuthnot, by whom he had three sons:
1, Richard, his heir ; 2, Farquhar ; 3, Robert.
Secondly, Sir Thomas Cumyn married Catharine, daughter of the Laird of Macgregor, by whom he had a son, 'Alexander.' "
from Bruces and Comyns
"Cuming married twice, first to Helen daughter of Hugh 8th baron of Arbuthnot, producing three sons, Sir Richard his heir, Ferquhard 1st and Robert. By his second wife Catherine Macgregor, daughter of the chief of Clan MacGregor, he produced a single son Alexander."
from A History of Their Making 1 2
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