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DE MORAVIA, William 2nd Earl of Sutherland
(About 1233-1307)
Donald Earl of Mar
(About 1245-1297)
Susanna (or Helen?)
(About 1230-After 1291)
DE MORAVIA, Kenneth 4th Earl of Sutherland
(About 1287-1333)
Mary or Marjory of Mar
(About 1272-)
DE MORAVIA, William 5th Earl of Sutherland
(About 1312-About 1370)

 

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Spouses/Children:
1. BRUCE, Margaret Princess of Scots

2. DE MENTEITH, Joanna

DE MORAVIA, William 5th Earl of Sutherland 1 2 3

  • Born: About 1312
  • Marriage (1): BRUCE, Margaret Princess of Scots by September 1345 1 2
  • Marriage (2): DE MENTEITH, Joanna before November 1347 2 3
  • Died: About 1370 2

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  General Notes:

"William, fifth Earl of Sutherland succeeded his father on 19 July 1333, and was probably then of age. There is
no evidence of his wardship, and he almost immediately took an active part in public life."

from Scots Peerage 2


William married Margaret BRUCE Princess of Scots, daughter of Robert I 'the Bruce', King of Scots and Elizabeth DE BURGH Queen of Scots, by September 1345.1 2 (Margaret BRUCE Princess of Scots was born about 1318 and died soon after 30 March 1346 1 2.)


  Marriage Notes:

" ... 3. Margaret, who was married in 1343 to William, Earl of Sutherland"

from Scots Peerage (vol 1)



"In 1343, or between December 1342 and September 1345, the Earl married Margaret, sister of King David Bruce, and that King conferred upon him in rapid succession considerable grants of land. On 28 September 1345 the spouses had a grant in free marriage of the thanage of Downie, co. Forfar, also of the thanage of Kincardine, with castle, etc., the thanage of Fettercairn, and the thanage of Aberluthnot, all in Kincardineshire, and the half of the thanages of Fermartine and Kintore in the sheriffdom of Aberdeen. This was followed, on 10 October 1345, by the erection of the earldom of Sutherland into a regality. On 4 November 1345 the King added the whole barony of Cluny in Aberdeenshire, and on 30 March 1346 the Earl and his wife received a grant of the King's rock or crag of Dunottar, co. Kincardine, with licence to build a fortalice thereon."

"The fifth Earl married, first, as already indicated, the Princess Margaret Bruce, youngest daughter of King Robert Bruce by his second wife Elizabeth de Burgh, and sister of King David Bruce. They had a dispensation on 1 December 1342, as they were in the fourth degree of consanguinity, but in a papal indulgence granted to her on 6 November 1343, a year later, she is styled sister of the King of Scots, and not Countess of Sutherland. Indeed, if the evidence of charters be taken, their marriage did not take place till 1345. The Princess is said to have died at the birth of her only son, and this seems probable. She was alive on 30 March 1346, but she was dead, and her husband had married again before November 1347."

from Scots Peerage (vol 8) 1 2

William next married Joanna DE MENTEITH, daughter of John STEWART DE MENTEITH and Unknown, before November 1347.2 3 (Joanna DE MENTEITH was born about 1305.)


  Marriage Notes:

"(3) Joanna, the only one of Sir John's alleged three daughters who can be traced with certainty, was married, first, to Malise, seventh Earl of Strathearn, who died about 1324-25 ; secondly, to John Campbell, Earl of Atholl. Thirdly, about July 1339, to Sir Maurice of Moray, created Earl of Strathearn in June 1344, by whom she had a daughter Joanna, married, first, to Sir Thomas Moray of Bothwell ; and, secondly, to Sir Archibald Douglas, third Earl of Douglas. Joanna Menteith married, fourthly, William, fifth Earl of Sutherland."

from Scots Peerage (vol 6)



"Countess Joanna survived her husband (Malise) and married, successively, John Campbell, Earl of Atholl, who was killed at Halidon Hill; Maurice Murray, created in 1344 Earl of Strathearn ... and lastly, before November 1347, William, fifth Earl of Sutherland...." (page 257)

"The Earl married, secondly, Joanna Menteith, widow successively of Malise, seventh Earl of Strathearn, John Campbell, Earl of Atholl, and Maurice Moray, Earl of Strathearn.The Earl and his second wife had a dispensation, of date 9 November 1347, on the following grounds. They petitioned that Joanna had been married to John, Earl of Atholl, and Maurice Moray. That after the death of the latter. Earl William and she, ignorant that any impediment existed between them which should hinder their marriage, contracted matrimony per verba de presenti ; but they afterwards learned that they were related doubly in the fourth degree of affinity, because William, John, and Maurice were related in the fourth degree of consanguinity, in consequence of which William and Joanna could not, without a dispensation, remain in marriage. They therefore petitioned accordingly. This
shows that they had been married for some time before November 1347, so that the Princess Margaret had died not long after 30 March 1346." (pages 327-8)

from Scots Peerage (vol 8) 2 3

Sources


1 e-books, The Scots Peerage ed. Sir James Balfour Paul vol. 1 (1904).

2 e-books, The Scots Peerage ed. Sir James Balfour Paul vol. 8 (1911).

3 e-books, The Scots Peerage ed. Sir James Balfour Paul vol. 6 (1909).


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