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STEWART, John 'de Menteith'
(About 1255-)
MORAY, Maurice of Drumsargard, Earl of Strathearn, Sir
(About 1300-1346)
DE MENTEITH, Joanna
(About 1305-)
Joanna Lady of Drumsargard and Lady of Bothwell
(About 1344-Before 1409)

 

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Spouses/Children:
1. MORAY, Thomas of Bothwell, Sir
2. DOUGLAS, Archibald 3rd Earl of Douglas, 'Black Archibald', 'the Grim''

Joanna Lady of Drumsargard and Lady of Bothwell 1 2

  • Born: About 1344
  • Marriage (1): MORAY, Thomas of Bothwell, Sir 1
  • Marriage (2): DOUGLAS, Archibald 3rd Earl of Douglas, 'Black Archibald', 'the Grim'' 1 2
  • Died: Before August 1409 2

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Joanna married Sir Thomas MORAY of Bothwell, son of Sir Andrew MORAY of Bothwell and Christian DE BRUS.1 (Sir Thomas MORAY of Bothwell was born about 1320.)


  Marriage Notes:

"(3) Joanna (De Menteith) ... was married ... Thirdly, about July 1339, to Sir Maurice of Moray, created Earl of Strathearn in June 1344, by whom she had a daughter Joanna, married, first, to Sir Thomas Moray of Bothwell ; and, secondly, to Sir Archibald Douglas, third Earl of Douglas."

from Scots Peerage (vol 6) 1

Joanna next married Archibald DOUGLAS 3rd Earl of Douglas, 'Black Archibald', 'the Grim'', son of Sir James DOUGLAS Lord Douglas, 'Good Sir James', 'Black Douglas' and Partner UNKNOWN.1 2 (Archibald DOUGLAS 3rd Earl of Douglas, 'Black Archibald', 'the Grim'' was born about 1330 and died by 9 February 1400(1401) 2.)


  Marriage Notes:

"His (Archibald Douglas) wife was Joanna Moray, widow of Sir Thomas Moray of Bothwell. On 23 July 1362 a dispensation was granted for their marriage, in which she is described as a widow, and the relict of Sir Thomas Moray.

This statement has been ignored by all historians of the Douglases, including Sir William Fraser, who maintains that 'it conflicts with all evidence on the subject of Sir Thomas Moray's descent,and with the fact that Joanna of Moray calls herself, and is styled, Lady of Bothwell.' He therefore holds with others that Joanna was the daughter and heiress of Sir Thomas. But Sir William was not aware of evidence proving that the dispensation is right, and that Joanna was a widow when Sir Archibald Douglas married her. In or about 1362, while still a widow, Joanna, styling herself Lady of Drumsargard, granted to her uncle, Walter Moray, certain lands in her barony of Cortachie, co. Forfar, and this grant was confirmed by her mother, Joanna of Menteith, as chief lady of the barony. The barony had been granted to Joanna of Menteith herself by her first husband, Malise, Earl of Strathearn, while Joanna Moray was her daughter by her third husband Maurice Moray of Drumsargard, who was created Earl of Strathearn by King David II. Joanna was thus Lady of Drumsargard as heir of her father, and she was Lady of Bothwell as conjunct fiar with her husband, Sir Thomas Moray of Bothwell ....

The extraordinary feature of the case is that Sir Archibald Douglas not only married Joanna, but became possessor of all the lands of which she was liferentrix......

She survived the Earl, and after his death granted portions of the heritage of Bothwell in her own name. She was alive in January 1403, and probably died before August 1409, but the date of her death has not been precisely ascertained. By her the third Earl of Douglas had issue..."

from Scots Peerage (vol 3)




"(3) Joanna (De Menteith) ... was married ... Thirdly, about July 1339, to Sir Maurice of Moray, created Earl of Strathearn in June 1344, by whom she had a daughter Joanna, married, first, to Sir Thomas Moray of Bothwell ; and, secondly, to Sir Archibald Douglas, third Earl of Douglas."

from Scots Peerage (vol 6) 1 2

Sources


1 e-books, The Scots Peerage ed. Sir James Balfour Paul vol. 6 (1909).

2 e-books, The Scots Peerage ed. Sir James Balfour Paul vol. 3 (1906).


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