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STEWART, Walter 'Bailloch', Earl of Menteith, jure uxoris
(About 1224-After 1292)
Mary Countess of Menteith
(About 1230-)
STEWART DE MENTEITH, John
(About 1255-)
DE MENTEITH, Joanna
(About 1305-)

 

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Spouses/Children:
1. Malise (IV) 7th Earl of Strathearn
2. CAMPBELL, John Earl of Atholl
3. Maurice of Moray, Earl of Strathearn, Sir

4. DE MORAVIA, William 5th Earl of Sutherland

DE MENTEITH, Joanna 1 2

  • Born: About 1305
  • Marriage (1): Malise (IV) 7th Earl of Strathearn 1 2
  • Marriage (2): CAMPBELL, John Earl of Atholl after 1329 1 2
  • Marriage (3): Maurice of Moray, Earl of Strathearn, Sir about July 1339 1
  • Marriage (4): DE MORAVIA, William 5th Earl of Sutherland before November 1347 1 2

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Joanna married Malise (IV) 7th Earl of Strathearn, son of Malise (III) 6th Earl of Strathearn and Agnes COMYN.1 2 (Malise (IV) 7th Earl of Strathearn was born about 1288 2 and died by 1329 1.)


  Marriage Notes:

"(3) Joanna, the only one of Sir John's alleged three daughters who can be traced with certainty, was married, first, to Malise, seventh Earl of Strathearn .... "

from Scots Peerage (vol 6)


"He (Malise, Earl of Strathearn) married, probably as his second wife, Jean or Joanna Menteith, daughter of Sir John Menteith of Rusky. The Earl conferred upon her the lands of Cortachy, co. Forfar, a grant confirmed by King Robert Bruce about 1323 or a little later,' which may indicate the date of the marriage. They had no recorded issue.....

Owing to certain difficulties as to dates, and a peculiar habit which Countess Joanna has of referring in writs granted by her in her 'viduity' when she was certainly married, it has been suggested that there were two Joannas, Countesses of Strathearn, but the evidence of the various dispensations for her marriages shows clearly that they all refer to one and the same person."

from Scots Peerage (vol 8) 1 2

Joanna next married John CAMPBELL Earl of Atholl, son of Sir Neil CAMPBELL of Lochow, ancestor of the House of Argyll and Mary DE BRUS, after 1329.1 2 (John CAMPBELL Earl of Atholl was born about 1300 and died on 19 July 1333 in Battle of Halidon Hill, Berwick On Tweed, England 2.)


  Marriage Notes:

"(3) Joanna, the only one of Sir John's alleged three daughters who can be traced with certainty, was married, first, to Malise, seventh Earl of Strathearn, who died about 1324-25 ; secondly, to John Campbell, Earl of Atholl ... "

from Scots Peerage (vol 6)



"Countess Joanna survived her husband (Malise) and married, successively, John Campbell, Earl of Atholl, who was killed at Halidon Hill ....."

from Scots Peerage (vol 8) 1 2

Joanna next married Sir Maurice of Moray, Earl of Strathearn about July 1339.1 (Sir Maurice of Moray, Earl of Strathearn was born about 1300 and died on 17 October 1346 3.)


  Marriage Notes:

"(3) Joanna, the only one of Sir John's alleged three daughters who can be traced with certainty, was married, first, to Malise, seventh Earl of Strathearn, who died about 1324-25 ; secondly, to John Campbell, Earl of Atholl. Thirdly, about July 1339, to Sir Maurice of Moray, created Earl of Strathearn in June 1344, by whom she had a daughter Joanna, married, first, to Sir Thomas Moray of Bothwell ; and, secondly, to Sir Archibald Douglas, third Earl of Douglas. Joanna Menteith married, fourthly, William, fifth Earl of Sutherland."

from Scots Peerage (vol 6)



"Countess Joanna survived her husband (Malise) and married, successively, John Campbell, Earl of Atholl, who was killed at Halidon Hill; Maurice Murray, created in 1344 Earl of Strathearn ... "

from Scots Peerage (vol 8) 1 2

Joanna next married William DE MORAVIA 5th Earl of Sutherland, son of Kenneth DE MORAVIA 4th Earl of Sutherland and Mary or Marjory of Mar, before November 1347.1 2 (William DE MORAVIA 5th Earl of Sutherland was born about 1312 and died about 1370 2.)


  Marriage Notes:

"(3) Joanna, the only one of Sir John's alleged three daughters who can be traced with certainty, was married, first, to Malise, seventh Earl of Strathearn, who died about 1324-25 ; secondly, to John Campbell, Earl of Atholl. Thirdly, about July 1339, to Sir Maurice of Moray, created Earl of Strathearn in June 1344, by whom she had a daughter Joanna, married, first, to Sir Thomas Moray of Bothwell ; and, secondly, to Sir Archibald Douglas, third Earl of Douglas. Joanna Menteith married, fourthly, William, fifth Earl of Sutherland."

from Scots Peerage (vol 6)



"Countess Joanna survived her husband (Malise) and married, successively, John Campbell, Earl of Atholl, who was killed at Halidon Hill; Maurice Murray, created in 1344 Earl of Strathearn ... and lastly, before November 1347, William, fifth Earl of Sutherland...." (page 257)

"The Earl married, secondly, Joanna Menteith, widow successively of Malise, seventh Earl of Strathearn, John Campbell, Earl of Atholl, and Maurice Moray, Earl of Strathearn.The Earl and his second wife had a dispensation, of date 9 November 1347, on the following grounds. They petitioned that Joanna had been married to John, Earl of Atholl, and Maurice Moray. That after the death of the latter. Earl William and she, ignorant that any impediment existed between them which should hinder their marriage, contracted matrimony per verba de presenti ; but they afterwards learned that they were related doubly in the fourth degree of affinity, because William, John, and Maurice were related in the fourth degree of consanguinity, in consequence of which William and Joanna could not, without a dispensation, remain in marriage. They therefore petitioned accordingly. This
shows that they had been married for some time before November 1347, so that the Princess Margaret had died not long after 30 March 1346." (pages 327-8)

from Scots Peerage (vol 8) 1 2

Sources


1 e-books, The Scots Peerage ed. Sir James Balfour Paul vol. 6 (1909).

2 e-books, The Scots Peerage ed. Sir James Balfour Paul vol. 8 (1911).

3 e-books, The Scots Peerage ed. Sir James Balfour Paul vol. 9 (1914) (Addenda et Corrigenda) page 27.


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