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COMYN, Richard
(1194-1249)
Alan Lord of Galloway
(About 1175-)
Margaret of Huntingdon
(About 1193-)
COMYN, John I 'The Red', of Badenoch &Tynedale, Justiciar of Galloway, Sir
(1220-1275)
Marion of Galloway
(About 1220-)
COMYN, Robert of Altyre, Sir
(1245-1306)

 

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Spouses/Children:
1. CUMMINE, Geiles of Lochaber

COMYN, Robert of Altyre, Sir 2 3 4

  • Born: 1245 2
  • Marriage (1): CUMMINE, Geiles of Lochaber 1
  • Died: 10 February 1306, Dumfries, Dumfriesshire, Scotland 1 4

   Another name for Robert was CUMYN, Robert, Sir.1

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  General Notes:

"1245
Sir Robert Comyn of Altyre born. The Cummings of Altyre have direct descent from his line Robert traces his line through his grandfather Richard Comyn (d 1245) to his father William Earl of Buchan (d 1233) and thereby to Richard Comyn (d 1179) and Hextilda. Richard in turn was the nephew of William Cumin (d 1159). If William was born late 1090s/early 1100s his (unknown) father might have been born just before the death of Robert de Comines 1069 which might fuel hypothetically the possibility that De Comines was his grandfather."

"1306
Feb 10 Dumfries John III 'The Red' Comyn and Sir Robert Comyn slain by Bruce and his supporters Sir Robert is the last surviving son of John I 'The Red' Comyn. Hostilities break out immediately between Comyn and Bruce supporters and endure until their bitter conclusion at Bannockburn in 1314."

from Cumming Timetable


"The family of Altyre were certainly denoted 'Comyn' at Sir Robert's death in 1306 and thereafter for at least 30 years. Notwithstanding that, there is reason to believe that the Comyn were in possession of Altyre well before this date and possibly a century earlier."

".... even if Altyre had been in existence in some form as a Comyn estate as much as 200 years earlier, it is not until the arrival of Sir Robert's great grandson that we find its chief denoted in title transfers of 1380 as Ferquhard of Altyre."

A History of Their Making


"Sir Robert Cumyn, fourth and last surviving son of Red John Cumyn No. 1, fell, with his nephew Sir John Cumyn, the Red No. 2, at Dumfries, on the 10th February 1305-6.
This has been overlooked by genealogists, although distinctly stated by Lord Hailes, in his ' Annals,' and more recently in Tytler's ' History of Scotland,' and vouched for by a bull from the Pope.
'Sir Robert Cumyn generously attempted to defend his nephew against Roger de Kirkpatrick, Justiciar of Galloway, and Alexander de Lindesay, who rushed into the church after Bruce had left it, but only shared his fate. He is sometimes called Richard, but this is a mistake.'
A letter from Mon. de Lamberton, Bishop of St Andrews, to Aymer de Valence, Earl of Pembroke, brother-in-law to Red John Cumyn, gives conclusive evidence of his name and fate :
'Nous n'avons nulle maniere de culpe de la morte de Monsire John Cumyn, ni de Monsire Robert Cumyn, suon oncle,' &c. &c. - Donne a la Fontaine d'Ecosse le 9,ieme jour de Juyn, ann. reg. Edward, 34."

from Bruces and Cumyns 1 2 5


Robert married Geiles CUMMINE of Lochaber, daughter of William CUMYN of Lochaber and Unknown.1 (Geiles CUMMINE of Lochaber was born about 1242.)


  Marriage Notes:

"I. Sir Robert Cumyn, fourth son of Red John Cumyn No. 1, married Geiles or Egidia, one of the three co-heiresses of William Cumyn of Lochaber, and left two sons:
1, Sir John; 2, Robert, whose name has often been confounded with his father's; but as the son lived until the latter end of Robert the Bruce's reign, and the father was killed at Dumfries in 1306, the mistake is palpable."

from Bruces and Cumyns
1

Sources


1 e-books, Family Records of the Bruces and the Cumyns by M. E. Cumming Bruce (1870).

2 Internet Site, https://www.altyre-estate.co.uk/about-altyre-estate/clan-cumming-timeline - Clan Cumming Timeline from A History of their making: The Cummings of Altyre by Michael McCarthy (2019).

3 e-books, The Chiefs of Grant vol. 1 by William Fraser (1883).

4 Michael McCarthy, A History of Their Making: The Cummings of Altyre (2020) (Grosvenor House Publishing, England, 2020), page 159.

5 Michael McCarthy, A History of Their Making: The Cummings of Altyre (2020) (Grosvenor House Publishing, England, 2020), page 163.


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